Character PC Organization Poll

[Lamont]

It's nice to have an organized PC box.

But it kinda sucks to have all those 'dex-only' or 'for sale' mons intermingled with the ones your character cares about. This is starting to be solved via creating new posts and inserting new boxes, but...

It kinda sucks as a mod to have to find the box a mon is in to update it, cause now we have to scroll through to find the start of a post instead of just clicking the edit button at the top.



I think a nice middle-ground could be creating a custom template for PCs. This wouldn't replace the multiple boxes organization. Your PC could still have multiple posts for organization. But having them grouped in tabs would help reduce the time spent scrolling to find stuff for mods, and give more options for members to choose to organize their PCs.

Personally I prefer everything in a single box, but grouped with clear, universally uniform labels so when I have to update anything it's very easy to do so. How do you all feel about it?
*Noting PCs can still stick to 1 post; no tabs. Tabs are optional just like new posts are.


Major downside would be anything organized in a tab that is not open would not be instantly find-able via ctrl+f unless editing. Though, I think this could be curbed as a frustration if default labels were universally sensible (by region?). Custom labels would be the trickier, and likely have to fall to members to point to where something is organized, but that's how it works now so nothing new there.



If we did implement tabbed PCs, what do you think would be a good 'default set' of tabs to be? Of course they could be customized on request to suit anyone's personal preferences.

We could have multiple default sets for labels depending on what ends up being popular and make sense to more people :3

[Caramell 🍬]

I would love this from the sounds of it.

As for default separations the best I could recommend are
- Default "1" through "8" as in-games. (Sometimes they just do 1-6 I think or something? Then more spawn as you fill up the first few, at least in later games).
- Region [would just make it harder on members who want to keep same evos close together. I tend to like by evo line over by region thanks to the regions playing with that xD].
- Type? [Might be harder because like, shared types? And choosing the "Primary" type just means all birds are in Normal box, so xD not really helping and would cause way too many starting off boxes?].

Anything else would be way more nuanced, I'd feel. They would either create way too many default boxes [looking at you, Type offer] or be really nuanced. I used to organize my Gen 3 team by Habitat when they used to offer those habitat infos on them, but that would be really hard on staff (and maybe even members) to remember for every single one, and doesn't address ones that go in multiple habitats.

Really, the best option for member and mod I'd say is Region as a default, or Box 1 to Box 8~ default, and let the member build from there. While Box 1-8 isn't really a separating difference to start off with, it might be easier on the newest of members who are still learning how to navigate things at best? And Region based is the most straight forward with the least amount of extra posts/box separation.

Out of that, my vote would be Region as default, if we go with anything.

[Goni]

I'm in favor of having a few different tabs, personally, I would probably have the first or second box as a kind of 'dump' box where anything goes by default, and then just letting members organize their mons how they want to organize them. I don't think you need to label them as anything other than box 1, box 2, box 3, box 4 and leave the heavy lifting to the individual user to decide how they want to organize them. I feel like my preferred PC would be like box 1- pokemon I've used in Roleplay, box 2- dump box for unnamed mons/pokedex captures box 3- breeding projects/store stock, box 4 for future plans

I'm opposed to having region as default since there are so many regions, and if pokemon are confined to regional tabs you might overlook a pokemon if you misremember which region it's part of, or cases like Cleffa would be in Johto and Clefairy and Clefable would be in Kanto. Maybe it makes more sense for those members who have a plethora of pokemon, but as I am right now if I had regional boxes, there would be a lot of unused boxes to click through, but that's just my opinion on regional organization.

[Tarlar]

I'm a bit confused about what you mean, is it with tabs like in our route descriptions you mean?
Personally I'd worry a bit on how much code and stuff to keep track on, and if they are in the right tab or not, while I think its very easy now. I don't scroll, I do use ctlr+f already, first to find what box and if, many in that box, to find it in the box when I have clicked edit.

Might look better? I don't like scroll bars within them though, as it makes it harder for me to get a feeling of whats in there (which is also why my inventory does not scroll, like many of you others do )
I have trouble visualization what exactly you mean Lamont.

So all in all, I have no trouble whatsoever with the current system But could probably learn to love something else, IF its easy and not much code or whatnot. Whatabout boxes like caramells, where the pokemon templates make them fill out the box words wise?

As for labeling I would make it as it is now: however the member wants it, with the labels they want, but probably with a set amount of boxes. I would personally hate having mine spread in some system I can't use for anything, like regions or type, it would mess up how I use them.

(as for regional boxes, I'd hate having to look them up when I as mod should update it, since I cannot remember that with the majority, I don't care about it )

[Pixel]

I know it would drive me batty to have my boxes organized by types or region. And scrolling in a scroll box would be the worst. That's my two cents.

[Lamont]

Kk! So regional sorting is out, but also doesn't seem like there is any real 'default' uniformly understood, general placement of box organization that works for everyone. Which would mean they'd all be personalized per person. Which is how they are right now; so not really a problem.

At least if they are all in tabs in a single post that still alleviates the annoyance of hunting down the post to edit. As long as there was a place where mods could just 'dump' new stuff that isn't obvious to sort that works as it does right now.



There wouldn't be any locked height scrolling -- never suggested that. The only scrolling mention was the annoyance of having to scroll through multiple boxes to find the appropriate edit button as PC boxes are currently being used. The tab organization would just be a replacement option for using separate posts for every 'label' or 'group' members want to organize their pokemon by. But of course there are limits to the number of tabs without it becoming unruly, which is why this couldn't completely replace using new posts IF there were a lot of Boxes a member wanted. Probably wouldn't do more than ~5 ish? Would depend on the design so can't say atm.

And yes, by Tabs I'm meaning functionally what we have for the guides. But a different design meant for PCs. It wouldn't be really any visible code.



This is literally all that's needed at its basic form:


-PTabbedContent] [PTab=Tab-Name-Here]

all your
normal pc box
templates and such
go between tab tags

there is no clutter

[/PTab][PTab=Tab-Name-Here]

2nd tab
example

[/PTab][/PTabbedContent-



This is much easier to update than the current separate posts thing. Cause I can just edit the 1st post, ctrl+f the label/group the member wants me to put something, and put it there.

[Pixel]

A tab system like the guides could be nice actually! I was just worried about having the little scrolly boxes mostly.

[Tiki]

well different members have their different pokemon templates already for their pokemon.

would it be conflicting and difficult to read through forum codes that it wouldn't break a pokemon's info?

I do like my control F though

btw that discussion in chat box wasn't meant to add more to do or make things complicated

[Lamont]

Tabs would not conflict with custom party templates; so long as the party templates don't demand 1000px widths or something ridiculously huge :p Caramell's for example wouldn't be affected visually or become more unreadable code-wise. Adding tabs isn't any more clutter than putting a -div- around it.


Ctrl+f would still be usable within groups. So as long as you're vaguely aware which tab something is located, ctrl+f can still be used to find specific pokemon -- the tab just has to be open at the time. (if not editing, no change to ctrl+f while editing)

[Caramell 🍬]

Aug 7, 2023 8:10:01 GMT 11 Lamont said:

Caramell's for example wouldn't be affected visually or become more unreadable code-wise.

I love how I'm an example 🤣🤣. Glad mine make a statement in people's minds.

I do use CTRL+F like Tarlar to find the Pokemon, but if there's a lot and the post they're in is large, finding the edit and box they're actually in can be confusing when scrolling back up. I would love anything that helps with that - for my own mons & others when modding.

5~ would be fine. I feel I'm close to needing my 5th and with Pokemon consistently adding more mons, the collecting and finding the max a box can hold will be a compounding issue. So my only concern would be if members could still request more boxes if they need it? I wouldn't want be be limited or "punished" for wanting coded template mons like others have (even if my template is a bit showier) or wanting to do the dex completion but I've ran out of room because Pokemon company likes money too much to stop.

[Lamont]

Yeah, you can have multiple posts with tabs. But it would be nice to have more tabs before turning to new posts. Again, I would have to look at a design before saying how many that would be

Also wanna just clarify... This wouldn't mean every PC has to have Tabs. I am merely suggesting this as an alternative to making new posts so it's nicer on mods to update others' boxes. I think it would be better than having a bunch of posts in the PC. Especially when you consider the growth option where you could end up with a PC that has a page 2 ;P with tabs you could have waaaaaay more PC organization and not even approach that terribleness.


My initial mention of providing some 'default' tabs was having some more universal organization option so there would be something familiar for mods to know where/how to organize between different members without members having to tell mods where to put stuff every time.

It would still be fine to have a single post with no tabs at all.

[Professor Oak]

I'm in favour of this suggestion as it gets us closer to how the games organise box Pokemon anyway - where the problem of knowing roughly where you stored a particular Pokemon exists anyway. As you have mentioned Lamont it can be optional and doesn't really need to be utilised by a member until they have amassed dozens of Pokemon anyway. This would likely have been implemented in the past but we didn't have the know-how and coding means to have it set up. Overall it would give a polished and structured look to the PCs which would be a feature that can differentiate us from other sites/substitutes.

Your example seems simple and intuitive enough and if the CTRL+F search was still needed wouldn't it still find the Pokemon in BBCode view? My only question is probably how easily it may break as I know for tables sometimes if you miss an opening or closing bracket or perhaps letter to signify a new table row or cell it can be quite difficult to debug. Also sometimes people edit in Preview mode and it could introduce incorrect or redundant formatting further convoluting things. But I know you have a track record of making things work so am excited to see where the possibilities lie!

[Lamont]

Yup! While editing either in the preview or code tab ctrl+f wouldn't be impacted.

Regarding break-ability, well let's see. We already use PTabs for our area guides; though they are a heavily customized look. Joey's Emporium actually uses the base version of it on ZZ if anyone's wants a more robust example. Or it's also freely available for anyone to use right now.

I can't put them between -code- tags and show it off sadly haha.

*Note: This is the default tabs -- not what I'm proposing for PC exactly.
[PTabbedContent] [PTab=Party Sample]

(Wartortle) LV 29
EXP: 837 / 2611
❤: +7
Turret
OT: Damien Shay

---

Ability: Torrent Item: Sitrus Berry

Attacks...
Headbutt, Protect, Water Pulse, Bite

Nature...
Rash. Nods off a lot.

---

(Luxio) LV 25
EXP: 1075 / 1951
❤: +6
Andromeda
OT: Damien Shay

---

Ability: Rivalry Item: None

Attacks...
Bite, Spark, Charge, Roar

Nature...
Bashful. Hates to lose.

---

-/PTab][PTab=Broke!]

(Herdier) LV 30
EXP: 1200 /2791
❤: +10
Booker
OT: Damien Shay

---

Ability: Sand Rush Item: Leftovers

Attacks...
Ice Fang^EM, Play Rough, Odor Sleuth, Crunch

Nature...
Bold. Likes to run.

---

example with forgotten closing tag
so tab 2 starts before tab 1 ends

Looks like nothing bad happens, you just gotta find this bit and add the /PTab tag to fix.


[/PTab][PTab=Tab 3 Nuthin]

just to have one

[/PTab] [/PTabbedContent]

It doesn't auto close,
but if you forget to put the closing tag or bork it then just nothing is interpreted. But as you can see this is a loooooot cleaner than a table breaking haha.

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Sidenote.
Anyone that is voting 'No' for the option of Tabs in PCs I am very interested in hearing any reasoning. If there are downsides that haven't been mentioned yet those would be very important to make sure are addressed while considering this proposal. Staying quiet doesn't help come to the best solution :3

[Jenesis]

I voted 'no' because it wasn't clear that tabs were optional instead of mandatory, and I prefer a single scrolling PC box over tabs because of the reasons already mentioned above: it's harder to ctrl+f for things, different members will have non-uniform preferences for tab labels, and if someone's templates are wordy enough (like caramell), they're going to need additional boxes anyway.

[Lamont]

Excellent, yes I didn't make that appropriately clear to begin with. Sorry about that, and thank you very much for adding your voice to these concerns.


Double confirming Tabs would 100% be optional in the same way having multiple posts in your PC is, and they won't impact how many of a thing you can have in a single post. Tabs would just turn what is currently 5 separate posts in PCs into a single post with 5 Tabs. It also won't add much more than a couple extra lines of very simple code so no bonus code clutter.

Ctrl+f limited to the current open tabs a mild bother, but... I have an idea on how to make it suuuper easy to flip between tabs no matter how scrolled you are; just gotta experiment to see if it's possible with how the plugin's built. So there's a hope that impact is as minor an annoyance as possible.

Mods placing things in the appropriate 'box' wouldn't change for better or worse using tabs versus new posts, but does reduce the hassle of having to find the right edit button. So only a positive there.