Pokedex Quest Poll

[Lamont]

Would you prefer the dex quest was 'per account' instead of 'per character'?
Or fine with it as is?

Right now the Pokedex quest (Assistant Researcher) is individual per character, with some leeway to 'share' some pokemon between each of your characters' dex entries.


Many members choose to only do it with a single character anyways to keep it more easy to manage owned pokemon and build up to the larger rewards. I personally, despite having both characters doing the quest, am only doing so cause it's free items even if I have no intention of pursuing completion with more than 1 character.


What's everyone's thoughts on the matter?

[Fox]

Having one pokedex per character is useful for tracking their individual progress. That said, it could become tedious to keep adding the same pokemon to each dex when you have multiple characters.

While I only have one character and will only have one for awhile, I think it would be easier to set this up per account. Of course, the opinions of those with multiple characters who have been here for awhile are more valuable than mine.

[Caramell 🍬]

Tarlar uses one dex and generally "trades" the Pokemon back between characters to track them for the one dex, I believe? And I do this, as I've mentioned it a few times, with a heavy stipulation and understanding that I would have to breed a copy of everything I wanted to count in Caribes/Mishu or add them to shared [or forego all the work with trading around for one dex] if I ever wanted to start them up. Which I do not and will not.

It's a lot of work with just one, is rather tedious, and already feels like my character loses a bit of his "charm" searching and gathering every known Pokemon [or at least 800+]. I'm happy with the way I do it with only one having a dex record. Marchbaby is a good person who utilizes 3 separate dexes that might give a strong argument "for" keeping it as it is, too, though.

Edit: Would be impossible to forego so didn't mean that literally. But I wouldn't be able to count any Pokemon on Mishu/Caribes that ISN'T shared and was already counted for Zaiden, from everything I've understood so far when trying to start mine up with Zaiden.

[Tiki]

(if we do a happy medium) isn't each generation about ~100 entries?
maybe we can have second or third chars do a minimum amount? lol

im here for 1 dex per account. by the time you finish breeding and leveling and evolving pokemon release another gen.

[Pixel]

Honestly, I will only ever do it on one character. The rewards are nice, but the RT cost alone for breeding the T4/T5s is massive. And I wouldn't want to try to manage or find a reason for each of my characters to HAVE that many pokemon on them. That said, the people who do multiple dexes probably have reasons for why they'd want to keep things the same.

[David]

I admit my next character isn't gonna give a flip about a Pokedex. LOL She ain't even gonna grab one from Elm, just be like got my starter peace I'm out. So for me I'm totally down with the one Pokedex for all characters. The only downsides I see are that you don't see your characters' individual progressions of the Pokedex but I suppose you can keep a record for yourself with each update post you do. And then there's also that you get the prizes once rather than multiple times throughout each character reaching a particular milestone. But I mean there are other ways to get those prizes and its probably a lot faster to get the coins, monies, RT, etc to get them.

[AshenPhoenix]

The only reason to do on several characters is the rewards, but I honestly don't see myself starting this quest on another character. It's tedious. I'm all up for 1 dex per user.

[Marchbaby]

I know I am in the minority but I personally like it is for numerous reasons, yes it takes a massive amount of effort to complete 3 separate times but it is totally optional and no one is forced to complete it multiple times if they do not want to nor are they forced to hit milestones to progress. It even makes daycares a far better deal as only requiring 1 character to get a rare Pokemon means that there is even less incentive to breed for yourself or for an egg swap than there already is. There is also the issue of some of the rewards being super hard to get in other ways outside of either getting a ton of recruits or dropping a massive amount of RT further reducing the reasons to breed rare Pokemon.

It also allows you to get multiple gym leader TMs which otherwise can be quite hard to get multiple copies of such as Shadow Ball or U Turn which can be super useful on multiple teams. By limiting it to only once per account it makes it that much harder to build any teams unless you spam breed things to pass down the moves and then the issue of overcrowding pc boxes or the adoption center would only grow worse than it already is.

The next issue is the top prize for doing it which the only other way to obtain such an amazing prize is getting 100 to 200 recruits which in this day and age would be miraculous unlike years ago. Getting to just the 15 to get Riolu was a nightmare and I cannot imagine many trying to get that many recruits as a substitute for losing out on the top prize twice if we take away the multiple dex option, as much as I would love to see someone else hit that number the Dex is far easier to reach and even then takes a massive amount of effort.

Next up is those who bred or bought multiple Pokemon just for the dex such as me buying 3 of each Paldea starter for the Dex or breeding Beldum twice for the dex, had I known about this idea way back then I would not have bothered to breed Beldum at all nor would I buy 3 of each starter. There are a few Pokemon such as Sneasel and Riolu I still would have bred for all 3 characters but the rest I would not touch doing as 10 to 20RT a pop is not cheap by any means. If those of us who did go through such an effort were allowed to trade our extras for an equal tier we do not have I might not mind as much but otherwise it makes all that effort feel worthless besides the few I wanted on all 3 characters.

It also makes the Safari Zone even less valuable as once you capture Trapinch, Kangaskhan, Chansey, Rhyhorn, and the few other exclusive ones there the reasons to go back become almost non existent as you wouldn't need to worry about breeding them for each character and even less of a reason to breed them unless someone had a super rare Pokemon and did an egg swap which few members have a Pokemon as rare as Kangaskhan. I know I would not breed it for anything less than a Skrelp or some other super rare tier 4 that would have an additional purpose.

Personally I think instead of making it a hard choice between just per account or per character I think we should allow each member to choose but with the understanding that their choice once made will be locked in so that those willing to take up the extra effort don't get the short end of the stick. I have no problem if someone only wants to do it with just a single character but those of who who do want the added challenge of running the gauntlet 3 times should be able to claim the rewards for putting in the crazy amount of effort it takes to do so.

[Pixel]

Jan 21, 2024 14:06:13 GMT 11 Marchbaby said:

I know I am in the minority but I personally like it is for numerous reasons, yes it takes a massive amount of effort to complete 3 separate times but it is totally optional and no one is forced to complete it multiple times if they do not want to nor are they forced to hit milestones to progress. It even makes daycares a far better deal as only requiring 1 character to get a rare Pokemon means that there is even less incentive to breed for yourself or for an egg swap than there already is. There is also the issue of some of the rewards being super hard to get in other ways outside of either getting a ton of recruits or dropping a massive amount of RT further reducing the reasons to breed rare Pokemon.

It also allows you to get multiple gym leader TMs which otherwise can be quite hard to get multiple copies of such as Shadow Ball or U Turn which can be super useful on multiple teams. By limiting it to only once per account it makes it that much harder to build any teams unless you spam breed things to pass down the moves and then the issue of overcrowding pc boxes or the adoption center would only grow worse than it already is.

The next issue is the top prize for doing it which the only other way to obtain such an amazing prize is getting 100 to 200 recruits which in this day and age would be miraculous unlike years ago. Getting to just the 15 to get Riolu was a nightmare and I cannot imagine many trying to get that many recruits as a substitute for losing out on the top prize twice if we take away the multiple dex option, as much as I would love to see someone else hit that number the Dex is far easier to reach and even then takes a massive amount of effort.

Next up is those who bred or bought multiple Pokemon just for the dex such as me buying 3 of each Paldea starter for the Dex or breeding Beldum twice for the dex, had I known about this idea way back then I would not have bothered to breed Beldum at all nor would I buy 3 of each starter. There are a few Pokemon such as Sneasel and Riolu I still would have bred for all 3 characters but the rest I would not touch doing as 10 to 20RT a pop is not cheap by any means. If those of us who did go through such an effort were allowed to trade our extras for an equal tier we do not have I might not mind as much but otherwise it makes all that effort feel worthless besides the few I wanted on all 3 characters.

It also makes the Safari Zone even less valuable as once you capture Trapinch, Kangaskhan, Chansey, Rhyhorn, and the few other exclusive ones there the reasons to go back become almost non existent as you wouldn't need to worry about breeding them for each character and even less of a reason to breed them unless someone had a super rare Pokemon and did an egg swap which few members have a Pokemon as rare as Kangaskhan. I know I would not breed it for anything less than a Skrelp or some other super rare tier 4 that would have an additional purpose.

Personally I think instead of making it a hard choice between just per account or per character I think we should allow each member to choose but with the understanding that their choice once made will be locked in so that those willing to take up the extra effort don't get the short end of the stick. I have no problem if someone only wants to do it with just a single character but those of who who do want the added challenge of running the gauntlet 3 times should be able to claim the rewards for putting in the crazy amount of effort it takes to do so.

I think some of these concerns have been brought up recentish.

1. The availability of certain rare pokemon outside of recruitment (IE: Making them available through quests, Mod Reward Trades, etc)

2. The availability of rare/gym TMs (I believe it was proposed by someone somewhere to have them available for sale somewhere (perhaps the pokemart in the same town) after defeating the gym leader, potentially for stupid money, but for sale)

3. I mean, the trouble of the safari zone would potentially not be worth it for people to venture in for copies regardless. Breeding certain 8% catch rate mons would be easier than spending big bucks in hopes of FINDING then CATCHING your chosen mon.

4. And back to egg swaps. If you doing an egg swap with someone, it's because someone needs something you have...and they have something you want. You'd still be spending the RT to get the copies of the pokemon whether or not someone else breeds for you something you don't have or no.

HOWEVER, I do empathize with you. You have worked hard to make impressive 'dexes on more than one character. But it could be possible that things that are locked to the dex could be more available in general (or outright available). I know folks brought up adding more TMs to the pokemarts, esp since a ton were introduced in gen 9.

[Caramell 🍬]

Jan 21, 2024 14:06:13 GMT 11 Marchbaby said:

Personally I think instead of making it a hard choice between just per account or per character I think we should allow each member to choose but with the understanding that their choice once made will be locked in so that those willing to take up the extra effort don't get the short end of the stick. I have no problem if someone only wants to do it with just a single character but those of who who do want the added challenge of running the gauntlet 3 times should be able to claim the rewards for putting in the crazy amount of effort it takes to do so.

I mean this is just a stricter thing we already do on a site where we tend to only be strict when we need to or elsewise we just start to feel needlessly strict. Some are already doing this - such as "trading" Pokemon with their characters to track in their only one Pokedex. While they are self-locking to only one, that was a choice they freely made likely long befit starting the quest. And a beginner quest like that...it is impossible to say they have a full grasp of the site to make that call early on. I made that self-choice later after realizing it would be years of work at minimum for one, let alone two and I'm just not a teen with all day after school to waste anymore on long tasks multiple times. I admire you for doing it, though!

Idk if I like forcing a lock on members, verses just making them WELL aware of the rules how I'd feel. And where do we place all the previous self-lock people before a lock was staff made, who just understood if they ever tried to start another literally none of their mons (save for the first 30 slots) count unless copies were made? Could be newdlessly complicated to sort out. I'd hoped most that finally make the choice like I purposefully did, do so with no regrets. I'd hate to force them to never have another option as a workaround (via breeding or catching duplicates) should they decide maybe they do want Character #2 to have one, too.

This is me saying from the perspective of keeping the option open. I think we have a good system as is but would greatly appreciate per account just because of the tediousness behind it. I'll admit I tagged you because you would have better insight on the other side of the argument which I was interested in hearing, too. At least if we keep it exactly as is OR make it only per account there's no FOMO either way. But I feel you. I think if I'd begun work breeding every T4/T5 I have for my other characters, I might feel very differently about it than I do now.

[David]

Could something special be done for people who have put in the time and effort if we were to consolidate to one Pokédex for all characters? Obviously I’m very new so I don’t know if an amount of coins or money could make up for all that time and effort but maybe something really good depending on how many the other character(s) have done on their Pokédex?

[Venominon]

I don't really do the whole Pokedex completion thing, so I don't really have much of an opinion on this one way or the other. However, I did still vote, and it costs me nothin' to admit that I voted for "per account". Why? It's simple really. On the off chance that I do decide to take part in that quest for a few extra rewards, I'd want it to be as easy as possible. And one Pokedex between three characters is far easier to manage than three for three. And from the looks of the results so far, it seems quite a few people are in agreement. And honestly, I'm just makin' this post for some extra cash. So...hope everybody is havin' a nice day if nothin' else.

[Marchbaby]

Jan 21, 2024 15:19:47 GMT 11 Venominon said:

I don't really do the whole Pokedex completion thing, so I don't really have much of an opinion on this one way or the other. However, I did still vote, and it costs me nothin' to admit that I voted for "per account". Why? It's simple really. On the off chance that I do decide to take part in that quest for a few extra rewards, I'd want it to be as easy as possible. And one Pokedex between three characters is far easier to manage than three for three. And from the looks of the results so far, it seems quite a few people are in agreement. And honestly, I'm just makin' this post for some extra cash. So...hope everybody is havin' a nice day if nothin' else.

Just for clarification under the current set up you can count any Pokemon captured by your characters in any single Pokedex without it counting against the shared total. It only counts towards the shared total if you want to use a single Pokemon across multiple characters unless you breed or capture more than one in which case the extras can count towards another Pokedex without taking up a shared slot.

Edit: Also want to say that due to the above changing it to per account would have no real benefit if you only plan on doing the Pokedex once due to the above. By making it once per account all it does is take away the option to do it multiple times for those who wish to do so while voting to leave it the way it is will allow you to complete it with a single character without impacting the choice for those of us who want to do it multiple times.

If not wanting to do the dex is the only reason you are voting to make it once per account I implore you to please change your vote to making it per character so that everyone will be given the freedom to complete it as they wish.

[Tarlar]

Jan 21, 2024 17:09:12 GMT 11 Marchbaby said:

Edit: Also want to say that due to the above changing it to per account would have no real benefit if you only plan on doing the Pokedex once due to the above. By making it once per account all it does is take away the option to do it multiple times for those who wish to do so while voting to leave it the way it is will allow you to complete it with a single character without impacting the choice for those of us who want to do it multiple times.

There is one difference (other than getting fewer rewards), and that is seen pokemon. If it is by account all seen pokemon by any character could count towards the dex, where it is now only the character doing the dex.

If we decide to change it, we certainly need to find a solution to make it up for the ones who has done more than one.


As for what to vote I'm still unsure. My initial thought, and what I'm still leaning towards, is to keep it as it is now.
I have a bit of a struggle putting words into what the reason is, and a lot of it is certainly having difficulties in adapting to changes.

I can see the benefit for most people to make this account based, when people get more than one character but technically it would only change how many seen pokemon you can count, since we already can count all owned pokemon by our other characters as long as we're only doing one pokedex quest.
By far most people would only do one pokedex, myself included, especially with the benefit of being able to count the other character's pokemon. This would make it easier to collect/register pokemon as soon as you have more than one character, and it would mean people were less needed to stay in an area to "see everything" before moving on, as a second character could just pick up where the other let go.

For me I feel like I'm missing something with the change, although I have a hard time putting a finger on what. Most of the pokemon I have double off, or plan on getting is just to train up for the dex with no plan on using them afterwards. Could actually be a benefit for pokemon I certainly don't plan on getting more than one off but can be hard to see with Lei.

My main problem would be keeping track of it. Right now I have one set of boxes and one thread (+potential one event/estate similar), since I update my dex each time Lei finishes a thread. It would be much more complicated with three characters and all their combined threads, especially when several has been in estates and events and the like at the same time.
I think I would need to keep it as three separate entrees and then update the dex each time a character finishes a thread like I do for one now.
It feels like a lot of work though, and like a lot of pokemon to keep track on.

[Marchbaby]

Jan 21, 2024 22:16:36 GMT 11 Tarlar said:

Jan 21, 2024 17:09:12 GMT 11 Marchbaby said:

Edit: Also want to say that due to the above changing it to per account would have no real benefit if you only plan on doing the Pokedex once due to the above. By making it once per account all it does is take away the option to do it multiple times for those who wish to do so while voting to leave it the way it is will allow you to complete it with a single character without impacting the choice for those of us who want to do it multiple times.

There is one difference (other than getting fewer rewards), and that is seen pokemon. If it is by account all seen pokemon by any character could count towards the dex, where it is now only the character doing the dex.

If we decide to change it, we certainly need to find a solution to make it up for the ones who has done more than one.


As for what to vote I'm still unsure. My initial thought, and what I'm still leaning towards, is to keep it as it is now.
I have a bit of a struggle putting words into what the reason is, and a lot of it is certainly having difficulties in adapting to changes.

I can see the benefit for most people to make this account based, when people get more than one character but technically it would only change how many seen pokemon you can count, since we already can count all owned pokemon by our other characters as long as we're only doing one pokedex quest.
By far most people would only do one pokedex, myself included, especially with the benefit of being able to count the other character's pokemon. This would make it easier to collect/register pokemon as soon as you have more than one character, and it would mean people were less needed to stay in an area to "see everything" before moving on, as a second character could just pick up where the other let go.

For me I feel like I'm missing something with the change, although I have a hard time putting a finger on what. Most of the pokemon I have double off, or plan on getting is just to train up for the dex with no plan on using them afterwards. Could actually be a benefit for pokemon I certainly don't plan on getting more than one off but can be hard to see with Lei.

My main problem would be keeping track of it. Right now I have one set of boxes and one thread (+potential one event/estate similar), since I update my dex each time Lei finishes a thread. It would be much more complicated with three characters and all their combined threads, especially when several has been in estates and events and the like at the same time.
I think I would need to keep it as three separate entrees and then update the dex each time a character finishes a thread like I do for one now.
It feels like a lot of work though, and like a lot of pokemon to keep track on.

The seen Pokemon would require having started the Pokedex quest with each character so only the character with a Pokedex would count up to that point, only future sightings would be able to count if we made it per account as that is how the Pokedex quest has always worked. Any previously captured Pokemon count but seen start after getting the dex and should not be an exception if we do change to an account based system.