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Post by latani on Feb 26, 2012 12:38:22 GMT 11
If you go look at Serebii.net, you'll find an article discussing the new forms of Kyurem;
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The Reshiram fusion one is just, wow. Apparently these two forms are debuting in the movie, and in the new games. That's right, games, as in plural. Apparently there is no Gray; the new games are called Black 2 and White 2. Seems like an interesting approach.
I'm very happy to see Kyurem's new forms (I thought there'd only be one) so I'm definitely getting my paws on one, or both, of these new games. These forms also explain Freeze Bolt/Fire, the moves discovered in Kyurem's list that weren't included in his in-game repertoire.
Your thoughts on these?
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Post by latani on Feb 28, 2012 14:17:59 GMT 11
An update; these games are being released in Japan in June, and America and Europe will be getting it by autumn! They must be only changing minor points here and there if the localization will take such a short time.
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Post by The REAL Joey on Mar 4, 2012 2:35:32 GMT 11
Well it looks like they totally cut the rug under everyone who had expected them to make the third version "Grey." Should've seen it coming really with how much they've tried to shake things around this generation. It's definitely been an instalment to the series which hasn't been afraid of breaking away from the formulaic predictability of it all.
In terms of the fusion like designs, I really don't know what to think. I have no doubt they'll grow on me but had I not seen it being reported from a credible news source, I would've chalked them up to a deviantART mock up. There's just something that seems a bit... EHH? With them. Its actually a similar feeling I had when I saw Shaymin's alt form. Oddly enough, as opposed to before where I much preferred Zekrom over Reshiram's design, this time around White Kyurem looks a lot better. The fact the white goes so much better with the icy blue helps. Having such contrasting colours on Black Kyurem just derps it up.
One thing i'm really curious about is the fact that a while ago Pokebeach did a bit of research into the coding and found out that in the list of data for all Pokemon, they noticed Kyurem had a variable in its coding that meant it allowed up to another form. They had checked with previous Pokemon who also had forms (e.g. Shaymin/Giratina) and had noticed the data worked exactly the same for them as well. However, come the announcement of this game there is TWO new Kyurem forms which confuses me a little. I don't know if they checked but Zekrom/Reshiram may have also had this form variable hidden away in the coding and they may have overlooked it.
The other thing that makes me think this is that these two new forms aren't technically Kyurem at all. Instead, I think there's still one more alternate form to be revealed and that one will be Kyurem's. I also remember reading up some theories on Taoism and the meaning behind ying and yang etc... So far we can symbolise Zekrom and Reshiram as the light and darkness. Kyurem itself can be chalked up to Wuji (Nothingess, balance, absence of energy also symbolised in the fact its part Ice type). With the arrival of Black Kyurem and White Kyurem it seems to allude to the whole Light within the Darkness and Darkness within the Light (aka the two opposite coloured dots in either side of the ying/yang). However, this leaves but one thing. Taiji, which is the grand union of both light and darkness, supreme ultimate. The original dragon in the history of Unova before it was torn apart by the two opposite ways of thinking of the brothers.
I get that this may be me looking and reading other people's conspiracy theories too deeply but it would be so cool if they followed along with something like that.
The other thing I wish that could be cleared up is whether these are direct sequels or merely director's cuts like all the third instalments of a generation before this. The reason why i'm still dubious on this is the fact, as you said, they're taking so quickly to translate. I'm good either way but I seriously was hoping for a Grey version which simply expands on what was there in B/W and makes them truly flawless. They were great games but they missed out on the odd thing or two.
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Post by latani on Mar 4, 2012 14:49:17 GMT 11
One thing that came to mind when I read your point about the coding for 1 form. Perhaps these forms are considered halves of a whole. It makes sense seeing as how they are part Kyurem, part Resh/Zek. The alt. form is, as you say, the hidden surprise and I'd agree with there being an ultimate singular form of all three together, that single dragon of Unovan myth.
I've heard ideas that Kyurem is the shell that was cast off when the dragon split into those two, and I find that more believable than the comet idea. For all we know, that was put into B/W to cover Kyurem's true identity. I wouldn't put it past them to be sneaky with Kyurem. The Giant Chasm could be the site of where the dragon split, and Kyurem just decided to remain there rather than do anything else. Buuuuuuuuuut then again I'm probably just over-analyzing this, lol.
As for the designs, they are a little "eh?". The one off-putting thing about Black Kyurem is the gorilla arms for me. Other than that I like them otherwise, and I'm especially curious to see them in action for that movie. I will find a way to watch it because waiting for it to come to NA, let alone Canada, takes FOREVER. I'll suffer with subtitles kthx, JUST FOR YOU KYUREM!
Seeing as how they've broken the typical two-game, third game director's cut scheme, for all we know they're working on a potential Gray/Grey version. I'd love that so much. But hey, they may have some real good surprises in store in B2/W2 so let's hope for the best aye?
Another thing to mention is this; bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_key_items_in_Generation_V#God_Stone. I remember learning about this a while ago and it was rumoured to be related to Kyurem. Note the gray colour. I hope this gets expanded upon since it was discovered in the coding and seems to be obtainable only via hacking.
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Post by The REAL Joey on Mar 7, 2012 15:19:28 GMT 11
Dammit, I wish my memory (And more likely bother to actually search for it) was up to scratch as i'm curious as to what it was like with Shaymin Sky Form. That was another thing that was added into Platinum but i'm just pondering if that was hidden until release or drummed up in the lead up to release. Either way, there's still a lot of time to release date so maybe they'll drop another bombshell come Corocoro release date. This whole nod to Kyurem with these sequels is definitely something I was hoping for. I don't know what it is about that Pokemon but it has so much intrigue and mystery wrapped up in it that was only hinted at in B/W. Does it really terrorise and eat people as the rumours go in Lacunosa? The walls they built around the place sure signify they're aware and terrified of it. Is it a mere husk of something greater? As its a husk, is it still intelligent or now just a beastly monster that lives on impulse? The questions just keep rolling with it. So much so I had to use it in Tobias' backstory, my second character on here. I know this sounds a bit weak but it does actually convey a sense of terror to me. I know other Pokemon have been designed for this in the ore conventional sense like Banette etc but there's something real unsettling about it. So in a way, I hope they don't ruin what's in my head too much. What you mentioned about the Giant Chasm is also interesting and reminded me of its sudden appearance in B/W. It literally just came out of nowhere and glaciated the place. Was it to hide something? It's just flat out an enigma. That God Stone is really telling as well. Along with the whole Ying and Yang theme they've got going on it just seems to point towards the supreme, ultimate: Taiji. Let's hope it does turn out to reveal this super powerful Dragon type that can give Arceus a run for its money. ;D Another thing I thought about this, if the are let's say director's cuts (I'm sorry but I do think Grey is outta the picture here, this just reeks of Gamefreak/Nintendo milking the cash cow with two versions) does that mean that the exclusive areas like White Forest/Black City will be iced over? There's a lot of stuff they can do with these games.
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Post by Nero on Mar 14, 2012 4:28:51 GMT 11
I have yet to play Emerald... Diamond.. Black/White versions.. and now they're going to come out with a new one in a few months. I'm never going to catch up. By the time I try and catch all the legendaries on some of these games,, ugh. Anyway, they should make a game on the 3DS. Black and White 2 are still for the DS system. Which means my XL is still going to be used I guess. Although a PKMN game in 3DS would be pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 14:17:50 GMT 11
i have been wanting to reply to this for a little while now but since I was taking care of my grandmother I did not get a chance until now.
First off I am kind of mixed about the new forms as Kyurem. The one that has part's of Reshiram looks pretty cool but the one that has part's of Zekrom just seems a little bit weird to me. If it were the first triple type it may be a little better but since that would mean that you could not use the forms in Black and White I doubt they will be triple types are cool as that would be.
I know this was originally for talking about the forms but the new movie looks cool especially since the Witch pokemon as well as Keledo or whatever her is called both appear and from what I have seen at least one of the two is being given away in Japan soon as a promotion for the movie. Between the new movie and only Genesect being the only pokemon not officially released I cannot wait for Black and White 2. I did hear it was confirmed that the DSI and 3DS have enhanced features not available on the regular DS but what those are exactly have not been confirmed yet so those of you with an upgraded DS are at least not left out entirely and since I am getting an Ipod Touch in a week I will not have anywhere near enough for a 3DS any time soon I am glad to see that they are being released on the DS.
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Post by Amour~ on Mar 24, 2012 10:51:20 GMT 11
I'm really hoping for new content! I would hate it if they just cut and paste B/W and just add these new legendaries, that would really just kill the experience for me. =P
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Post by >>Haptic on Mar 28, 2012 17:32:48 GMT 11
O wow, this is being brought to us in the fall?! But I was pushing for a 3ds and the new Kid Icarus Game...
this completely changes my plans! I'll have to save up for this now of course - because pokemon is one of the few game series that I simply have to have. (: Pitt, no matter how much fun he looks to play outside of brawl, will have to wait...
and so will the new kingdom hearts game. damn you nintendo!
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Post by latani on Mar 28, 2012 18:33:58 GMT 11
Well don't fret too much Amour; they're doing a new storyline apparently! I dunno about new content but a new storyline versus some rehashed BS makes this even more intriguing. If they're doing this, then there's likely to be a lot of changes involved. Like what'll happen with the Giant Chasm, etc..
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Post by The REAL Joey on Mar 31, 2012 13:39:19 GMT 11
Bit more news leek if Serebii's anything to go by. A little flier mentioned the typing of the two new Kyurem forms and penned them both as Ice/Dragon. Not too bothered about this as I couldn't think of anything else and having three typings would be pants on backwards retarded. There is just no need and it destroys what little balance there is.
There's also been some "unsubstantiated" rumour going about that a new Pokemon is to be revealed soon. Is this the Ultimate Dragon that's been speculated about? Or perhaps an alternate form to something we don't know about? OR is it an alternate form being announced to something we already know (Pirouette form for Meloetta) OR even worse in the fact it'll be an announcement for Genesect, which... Pretty much is unconfirmed despite the whole of the world pretty much knowing its existence. Ladies and gents, your bets please.
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Post by latani on Apr 13, 2012 5:13:08 GMT 11
Trololo, where to start. I'll just copy-paste the information from PokeBeach since it's laid out nicer than Serebii.
- The games are true sequels, taking place two years after the originals. - The Unova region sports new towns, buildings, locations, and Gym Leaders. New subway lines will take you to new places. - Half of the Unova map is covered by ice for unknown reasons. - The Pokedex features 300 Pokemon from every generation. So far, Psyduck is #026, Riolu is #033, Metagross is #254, and Eevee is confirmed but has an unknown Dex number. - Black Kyurem is confirmed to know Freeze Shock and White Kyurem is confirmed to know Ice Burn. - There are two new protagonists along with a new rival. The rival has text saying, "Now I'm gonna get angry!" He's the boy with the blue spiky hair. He is your childhood friend. - Homika is a new Poison-type Gym Leader. She's the girl holding the guitar. She is going to be in an episode of the show in June. - Shizui is also a new Gym Leader who uses Water Pokemon. He's the tan guy with the goggles. - There is a new "mysterious guy" named Akuroma who is studying Pokemon strength. Sometimes he'll help you on your journey. He's the guy with the glasses and white coat. - You begin your journey in Hiougi City. It is on the map in an area that was previously uninhabited in the original games on the left side of Unova (the southwest side). It features an underwater tunnel made of glass (does it take you to the main region?). The city also sports a Pokemon Center, a Trainer School, and shops. - The magazine points out that there is new construction in the Resort Desert and that there is a new building with red and blue decorations. For the latter it says, "What's it mean?"
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True sequels... *****ing awesome. I don't like the protagonist hair styles... they're just WTF. But everything else I'm excited for ;D
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Post by The REAL Joey on May 16, 2012 10:48:47 GMT 11
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Post by Triton on May 17, 2012 2:27:57 GMT 11
It is amazing...the graphics rock, I just cant believe I am still so freakin addicted to this game. Out of all the games I could be addicted to lol.
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Post by The REAL Joey on May 17, 2012 2:43:31 GMT 11
Okay so there's been a bit of a mishap with the trailer as it got put up twice without being private so I suspect whoever leaked it accidentally has got their neck on the chopping block. Real shame too, their blunder (If it was, this might all be premeditated) has really stirred up anticipation. A link to view the trailer can be seen here. It shows so much. The rival might actually be likeable!! (Certainly wanting to play as him more than the palm tree protag there) and that those supposed "black uniformed Rockets" people wrongly dubbed were in reality a new sect of Team Plasma. Seems to be a fan thing but everyone's referring to them as Neo Plasma. They look seriously BAMF. Elesa's new look is also pretty SHOCKING. Hahah. ;D The Shadow Triad at the end... I really don't like the whole Striaton Leader theory with those triplets being the trio but... Daaamn. Its looking more and more likely. Once i've got Photoshop up i'll convey what I mean. I have a little inkling about something that I need a colour checker to back up. Kind of a shame they don't hire these animators to do the main series anime, it really showed it all up.
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