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Post by Jenesis on Feb 19, 2023 8:59:13 GMT 11
Separating out the initial ' Trial Amulet Ideas' suggestion for easier discussion, tracking, and such relating to each trial instead of having to go back and forth with the them intermingled. I had this idea of Steel amulet with something to do with weight of a Pokemon. As for if you're ordering Pokemon by lowest to highest, highest to lowest, find one within 10kg of your highest level pokemon or something, IDK. But then IDK if you want the pokemon we're battling to use like Gyro Ball (speed based move), or Heavy slam (weight based), etc. as a challenge. if anything, the mod will use phrases like "balanced" (equal), "strong/heavy", "light" for the weight. we could do something like, send out a Pokemon that's your heaviest to "stand on this spot", "stand on this seesaw" etc. to unlock the encounter.
The fairy one maybe something like Ilex forest hunt again. You gotta find an item associated with a fairy pokemon and the item to find it will be different from where they are. Except this would be "easier" in that they aren't moving Farfetch'd as for the items... maybe not too obvious or slightly obvious? IDK. Like Swilrlix baiting with a sugar or cotton candy would be waay too obvious. The thing to figure out for Ilex fairy trial is: the location to start the quest event, don't want it to override the other ilex forest quest the location that the item would be in, and in trial battle style. One Pokemon could be holding it to "test" before the actual trial totem Pokemon. and the location of the final totem pokemon once you found the item. *most* fairy Pokemon are okay, and maybe even evolved. But I am sure some Pokemon won't be totem like Galarian horses or Galarian Weezing or Alolan Ninetales in a forest, obviously.
The more this required information is filled out via suggestions the easier it will be to make live. DRAFT - TRIAL 4: FAIRY - ILEX
Trial Name?<Intro text here> Requirements: Must have completed "The Darker Side". You may only use 3 Pokémon, chosen at the start of the Trial, and these must be no higher than Level 27*. It's recommended that you choose a team with levels ranging from ??-??.
*Higher level pokemon can be used in the trial with the risk of disobedience.
Location: Ilex Forest Description:<description here> Rewards: Fairium Z Alolan Exeggcutor evolution open +10% Alola Encounter Chance from Amulet
![???](//storage.proboards.com/2475952/images/qyU4JCUkfnzpA4qWjhoZ.png) Staff Guide <intro notes for mods to setup area & describe expected flow>Stage OneTraipsing into the forest, the trainer is tasked with creating a bouquet (or flower ring or something?). They may travel through the forest collecting various colors & quantities of flowers to compose their arrangement. 1) On board with flower collecting. How will their collection affect the end encounter or how they progress? Will the number of individual or total colors change anything? (eg: x3 blues, 1 yellow, 1 red versus a diff player only getting 1 of each color?)
2) It sounds like there may be different places to deposit the arrangement which sets the totem they encounter? Will there be different collection requirements? How will mods communicate which is for which or what affects what?
Stage Two The above is added by Lamont to make some sensible flow with split up posts from steel thread
Fairy Trial idea, inspired by the Flabebe line: The trial starts in Luminous Vale, since it is apart from where the other quest is, and fairy moves are often associated with "light." The player journeys around Ilex collecting colored flowers for a bouquet in different locations. The colors of flowers can affect what kind of Pokemon appear to battle in the trial, and the number of flowers determines the strength of the trial Pokemon, but also the reward. Perhaps for the colors-- Red - G-Rapidash, Clefable, or Tinkatuff Blue - Azumarill, Carbink, or A-Ninetales Yellow - Mawile, Whimsicott, or Comfey Orange - Dachsbun, Dedenne, or Ribombee White - Slurpuff, Togekiss, or Shiinotic Gather ALL the flowers - face a Horde of 5 Florges
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Post by antonius on Mar 9, 2023 12:20:19 GMT 11
If you think about it, the initial trial probably more than five mod posts in the battles. Finding five flowers would add nothing to the post count if the mod includes it with running into the Pokemon. I could live with three flowers\Pokemon encounters. As for the horde, it is a Pokemon mechanic we have yet to use but would take a bit of tweaking of our current battle screens. I've always been partial to red, yellow, and white for flower colors especially roses. Blame the romantic in me for those three roses. If we cut down the flowers to three, than maybe instead of a horde of five florges, it becomes a triple battle of florges.
Red: Galarian Rapidash (screams My Little Pony) Yellow: Comfey (definitely with flowers) White: Togekiss (Gen 4)
I don't have anything for steel type yet. I do like the scales\weight idea
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Post by Tiki on Mar 9, 2023 13:17:35 GMT 11
If we do yellow, white, light blue/ sky blue/ cyan It would be a nod to gold silver crystal maybe
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Post by Jenesis on Mar 9, 2023 13:28:25 GMT 11
If you think about it, the initial trial probably more than five mod posts in the battles. Finding five flowers would add nothing to the post count if the mod includes it with running into the Pokemon. I could live with three flowers\Pokemon encounters. As for the horde, it is a Pokemon mechanic we have yet to use but would take a bit of tweaking of our current battle screens. I've always been partial to red, yellow, and white for flower colors especially roses. Blame the romantic in me for those three roses. If we cut down the flowers to three, than maybe instead of a horde of five florges, it becomes a triple battle of florges. Red: Galarian Rapidash (screams My Little Pony) Yellow: Comfey (definitely with flowers) White: Togekiss (Gen 4) I don't have anything for steel type yet. I do like the scales\weight idea Maybe I wasn't clear, but there wouldn't be a separate mod battle for each flower encounter. There is just one battle at the end against the trial Pokemon. To use an example: Because Ilex is a Universal RP area, Erika could venture off into Ilex Forest to pick more flowers, and could do other things such as catch Pokemon or socialize with other players (sharing flower locations?) before returning to Luminous Vale to turn in the quest. A mod would not need to be called for any quest-related things until the quest is turned in and the Totem Pokemon is spawned.
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Post by Tiki on Mar 9, 2023 13:48:15 GMT 11
JenesisOh I understand now So the ilex area before the tree with cut each has designated flowers And members just need to pick x number of flowers for a bouquet and the number of colors determine the pre totem or actual totem Pokémon For rp description only we could have a large tree with battle scratches on it to designate as the place to put the bouquet
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Post by Jenesis on Mar 9, 2023 14:08:06 GMT 11
There are 21 areas total (not including the Forest Exit and the two secret areas), so if we exclude Shady Glen (which is free) we could have 20 flowers total. Or reduce the number and have some areas with no flowers at all, that works too.
I was thinking a fairy ring (which is a circle of mushrooms), but I like your tree idea too! The fluff about the battle scratches in the quest description could also give a hint to the kind of Pokemon, like "a big gouge that looks like it was made with a sharp horn" hinting at Galarian Rapidash or "a heavy coating of plant pollen in the leaves" hinting at Whimsicott.
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Post by Tiki on Mar 9, 2023 16:57:18 GMT 11
There are 21 areas total (not including the Forest Exit and the two secret areas), so if we exclude Shady Glen (which is free) we could have 20 flowers total. Or reduce the number and have some areas with no flowers at all, that works too. I was thinking a fairy ring (which is a circle of mushrooms), but I like your tree idea too! The fluff about the battle scratches in the quest description could also give a hint to the kind of Pokemon, like "a big gouge that looks like it was made with a sharp horn" hinting at Galarian Rapidash or "a heavy coating of plant pollen in the leaves" hinting at Whimsicott. I don’t know 20 different colors on top of my head lol Even if we do duplicate colors in different places I think most people will just go to nearest area For the flowers / pre trial Pokémon I say just reduce to a few Since the Farfetch quest is the choking point, the few areas before that and that area itself can just be flowers We can do double battle style or like sos Pokémon style 1 vs 2 We can split the fairy totem into mushroom fairy ring in mushroom area or somewhere with a big tree, since fairy type comes in different sizes or stature or body type
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Post by antonius on Mar 9, 2023 17:16:24 GMT 11
I think 20 flowers would be a bit much for a quest. Reality would say 20 flowers would be right amount but quest wise would be quite a bit. I've yet to go through Ilex Forest but what I've seen it is still a decent amount of work even if it is a single post visits. I would cut down the number of flowers to ten or less. Are we expecting to make a flower arrangement out of these flowers? Having the fairy type hide in a tree could work as long as they don't get it confused with Celebi. I'm still up for an encounter or two prior to the totem Pokemon. Maybe the encounter would give an item plus the flower.
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Post by Tiki on Mar 10, 2023 0:15:26 GMT 11
I'm iffy about gathering 5 flowers because that's like 5 different mod posts to confirm that it is accurate? OR we have members link them and just edit the Ilex Forest first posts with correct flower colors? maybe just 3 flowers? 2 flowers? Luminous Vale is great choice to me. It's got sun. and then Im not sure about fighting a horde of Florges. Making it a double battle could be a nice twist though. Would it be 2 Pokemon related to the evolution of the Totem Pokemon or just a pair of different fairy type for fun, or actually just Florges? haven't thought if there's a theme to fairy type totem. Maybe items? moves that are bright and shiny and glaring?Edit: maybe weather?
google says a bouquet is anywhere from 3+ flowers to 10? 20? we could have this as a free style or no. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/2475952/images/j4x3M6WbsBpReeVALlIv.png) I was at work earlier so here's my idea basically using jenesis and mine? Gloomy ravine, Enchanted Orchard, Luminous Vale, Mahogany Knoll, Pine Gap, Gleaming Hollow- have flowers to be picked Mushroom bank- mushroom fairy ring for totem boss location #1 Cypress Rest- scratched/ marked tree for totem boss location #2 Luminous vale will be where you start the alola quest and hand in the bouquet, and then you battle the pre-totem pokemon. fairy types moves are associated with stars, moon, and flowers.. hm...
1) the number of flowers just determine which totem. so a bouquet with more blue or everything even will spawn different. here's an example or explanation gathering flowers and returning to Luminous vale will make at least a double battle or SOS type 1 vs 2 battle. after the battle, the pokemon could split off running into mushroom bank for mushroom ring or cypress rest for giant tree. Cypress Rest- Tree with claws/horns marked over it. indicating a rougher fairy type more blue flowers: azumarill/ Alolan Ninetales, in a forest? more red flowers: granbull more yellow flowers: galarian rapidash everything even: Mawile/ Togekiss mushroom ring: there's sparkle or sparkly dust on it. IDK more blue flowers: Gardevoir more red flowers: Mr Mime? Ribombee? Dedenne? more yellow flowers: Shiinotic> Comfey/ Whimsicott everything even: Florges I am not sure what to do about the pokemon moves for this one so i'll leave it to y'all? but personally comfey is kinda weak to be totem. fairy is like the disney friendly of fantasy and magic so i expect some status moves like safeugard, misty terrain, fairy lock, etc.
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Post by Tiki on Mar 13, 2023 19:04:47 GMT 11
Sorry for that Lamont, we can split the discussion if you want. I don't know if Proboards allows splitting off thread posts so it might be worthwhile to make two new discussion threads? Here's my pitch for the trials, in order: Fairy Trial: "All That Glitters"Stage One: This is just a pre-trial fight in Luminous Vale, against a Comfey. (The bouquet collecting will be migrated to Stage Two.) The Comfey is encountered while it is frolicking in the fields, collecting a bouquet for itself. After the Comfey is fought and defeated, it expresses distress that its flower bouquet was destroyed during the fight, and flees to Mushroom Bank. The narration will suggest that the player collect a bouquet of their own flowers, and point out the flowers in Luminous Vale that are of a certain color. This does mean that Stage Two of the quest will require HM01 Cut to complete, though Stage One can be started before completing Wild Goose Chase. Stage Two: The player will lay their bouquet in the center of a fairy ring at Mushroom Bank. The Comfey will come, express appreciation for the bouquet, and lead the player down a secret path to the Z-Crystal, embedded in a giant mushroom. Before the player can collect it, though, they must prove their worthiness to the Trial Pokemon in battle. 1) The most collected color will take precedence to determine which Trial Pokemon the mod may choose for the Trial Encounter. If there is a tie, the mod will select one of the colors tied for most common at random. Using level 30 as a baseline, here are some suggested Trial Pokemon: Red/Pink - Clefable - +1 SpA - Magic Guard - Metronome, Moonlight, Gravity, Play Rough(TM) Hard Mode: Replace Gravity with Psyshock(TM) Blue - Alolan Ninetales - +1 Spe - Snow Cloak - Hail(TM), Aurora Beam, Extrasensory, Dazzling Gleam Hard Mode: Replace Aurora Beam with Ice Beam(TM) Yellow - Whimsicott - +1 Def - Prankster - Giga Drain, Charm, Leech Seed, Misty Terrain(TM) Hard Mode: Replace Charm with Protect(TM) Orange - Dachsbun - +1 Atk - Well-Baked Body - Bite, Play Rough, Work Up, Fire Fang(TM) Hard Mode: Replace Bite with Crunch(TM) White - Togekiss - +1 SpD - Serene Grace - Draining Kiss(TM), Ancient Power, Yawn, Air Slash Hard Mode: Replace Ancient Power with Calm Mind(TM) The total number of flowers determines the difficulty of the trial, for example: 1-5 flowers (Normal): no modifications 6-10 flowers (Intermediate): the Trial Pokemon is +2 levels higher, and the player gains healing Berries in addition to the normal rewards 11-19 flowers (Hard): the Trial Pokemon is +2 levels higher, has an additional TM move, and the player gains a Bright Powder in addition to all previous rewards all 20 flowers (Extreme): two Hard Trial Pokemon fight the player at once, and the player gains x2 Sweet Heart in addition to all previous rewards I was not thinking that number of colors would affect the trial, as that would be a lot of permutations to consider. 2) Under my revised proposal, the pre-trial and trial fights take place in two set locations, so this is no longer an issue. Added by Lamont to keep sensible flow while moving fairy sections out of steel trial thread.
I'm only against daschun because we don't have gen 9 pokemon here yet. Jenesisalso if you swap Protect with Substitute for Whimsicott it might be even harder ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/2475952/images/j4x3M6WbsBpReeVALlIv.png) Daschun is also the only physical attacker, and we could balance it out with 1-2 flowers for physical attackers?
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Post by Tarlar on Mar 13, 2023 19:14:24 GMT 11
Quick question: can you pick more than one flower at a time? As, I got to one area, and pick 5 blues, then the next and picks 2 red, then the third and taking 10 yellows? If we can only pick one at a time, it will be very time consuming to travel around if you want a hard mode ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/2475952/images/j4x3M6WbsBpReeVALlIv.png)
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Post by Jenesis on Mar 13, 2023 19:26:39 GMT 11
RE: Fairy TrialI'm only against daschun because we don't have gen 9 pokemon here yet. Jenesis also if you swap Protect with Substitute for Whimsicott it might be even harder ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Daschun is also the only physical attacker, and we could balance it out with 1-2 flowers for physical attackers? You are right, Substitute would also be a great move for that slot. There's not a lot of physical attackers in the Fairy type to begin with, any suggestions you have would be great. I would argue that just because we can't catch Gen 9 Pokemon doesn't mean we can't spawn them, as we have the ability to put them into the calculator. ZZ allows spawning and battling of legendaries after all. Quick question: can you pick more than one flower at a time? As, I got to one area, and pick 5 blues, then the next and picks 2 red, then the third and taking 10 yellows? If we can only pick one at a time, it will be very time consuming to travel around if you want a hard mode ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) The way I envisioned it, you can only pick one flower at a time. What color of flower is tied to the specific areas of Ilex. Not including the secret areas, there are 21 areas, so if you skip Shady Glen there can be 4 flowers each of 5 colors spread around all of the different areas. And yes, hard mode is supposed to be hard. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Because of how Ilex is set up it won't require 20 mod posts at least. If we want to make the quest easier we could reduce the number to 15 or even 10 flowers total. The player would only require 3-5 flowers in order to do the bare minimum of finishing the trial, and they would need to make that many posts to get from Luminous Vale to Mushroom Bank anyway.
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Post by Tiki on Mar 13, 2023 19:36:09 GMT 11
5 colored flower is fine, but I am torn between my idea of "areas before cut have flowers" versus "anywhere in Ilex besides the quest starting places" have flowers. they both have different implications of how we use Ilex Forest
(Gloomy ravine, Enchanted Orchard, Luminous Vale, Mahogany Knoll, Pine Gap, Gleaming Hollow- have flowers to be picked)
If we're giving rp-ers freedom, then we could just not restrict how many flowers and just let them choose the amount of each one. but mods can role play out the old people and say like "hey, 3-10 flowers is generally the amount in a bouquet, but the more flowers you have the more powerful they are" ?maybe?
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Post by Jenesis on Mar 13, 2023 19:56:41 GMT 11
RE: Fairy TrialIf we're giving rp-ers freedom, then we could just not restrict how many flowers and just let them choose the amount of each one. but mods can role play out the old people and say like "hey, 3-10 flowers is generally the amount in a bouquet" I like your suggestion in the Cbox about flavoring all the different areas as different species of flowers. The idea could still be the same, the player has to visit a minimum of (#) locations in order to turn in the quest, but they can choose how many of each kind of flower they want for flavor reasons. It shouldn't be too much work for the mods just to add a flavorful line to the description of each Ilex board. Examples of flowers for each of the different colors: Red roses, poppies, carnations, azaleas Blue cornflowers, hydrangeas, delphiniums, bluebells Yellow sunflowers, daisies, daffodils, goldenrods Orange marigolds, tulips, zinnias, lion's tails White jasmines, camellias, lilies, moonflowers I don't think it makes sense to restrict the flower locations to the boards before Cut, since you need Cut to get to Mushroom Bank anyway. The shortest path is Luminous Vale, Dense Thicket (by way of Shady Glen), Forest Shrine, and Mushroom Bank, so maybe the minimum is 4 types of flowers, and each of the flowers on the path is a different color. That way if the player wants to do more, they are encouraged to explore areas that they might not otherwise have thought to travel to. (Alternatively, if the player knows for example that they for sure don't want to fight Alolan Ninetales, they can choose to not pick any blue flowers, but then they have to take a detour to another part of the forest to meet the minimum quest requirements.)
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Post by Pixel on Dec 26, 2023 16:13:34 GMT 11
It's nearing midnight on Christmas, but I was in the mood to look at trial stuff and realized Fairy was next on the list~!
I love the idea of battling a comfey and then you need to make it a new one. What I do not enjoy and feel is super tedious is the pick 1 flower in every zone, wander around all of Ilex to find the right color flower for three months aspect to play extreme hard mode idea. Because let's assume you want to pick 20 flowers. Even if you were modded every single day you posted like a bike post, that is a min a month. But let's scale that down to 10 for the 3-10 idea.
10 mod posts over what will be around 3-5 days on average as they aren't bike posts. Getting us between 30-50 days BEFORE you even get a chance to battle the boss. Of course, you could argue they could always just do the easy quest which is a far more reasonable 3 flowers, but since the color effects the encounter, uh oh, now you're wandering around the forest for another two weeks. It stops being interesting after the first couple times of saying 'i pick a flower and move on'.
My recco would be to allow the player to pick more than 1 flower in an area. Maybe even restrain it to a certain few spots like the farfetch'd quest. Like 1 of each color.
BUT, impose an encounter should the player take more than 1 flower from any zone.
Take 1? Move along to the next. You can collect 3 flowers of different colors in three mod posts and get that encounter for the easy trial.
Take 2-3: You encounter xyz low level encounter related to the color (like alolan vulpix)
Take 5-6: Get a higher level encounter
Take 7-8: Get a low level double battle
Take 10: You get a higher level double battle, and you get to challenge the hardest difficulty totem.
Taking those extra flowers means not only exp management for the trial with your 3 pokemon, but also HP and status management. It also feels like you're making progress and is more rewarding and inherently challenging than wandering around picking flowers one at a time for two months. The mix-and-match aspect is still there and you can only take up to 10 flowers—any attempts to pick more will result in them 'dropping' the extras after a battle.
Mostly these suggestions are to improve active engagement with the trial, and to play into the fairies protecting nature theme that fairies have. After all, if you pick 1 flower, you're respecting nature, you pick 10 and you need to be punished by angry forest spirits. xD
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